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Caleb,
I’m an avid reader of Going Concern and I was wondering if you could help ease my anxiety on my Superday coming up fairly soon. I’m currently a senior in a master’s program and I am looking for an internship this Winter. I’ve interviewed with all Big 4 and only managed to score a second round with PwC for a Northeast location. I do have a couple back up offers but really want PwC. Do you have any tips or other insights on these superdays? I often read that the majority of people attending superdays get an offer but I don’t w ident. Any insights you can provide would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Anxious Student
Dear Anxious,
I’ll do my best to give you some honest insight on Superdays, although I don’t know if it will quiet your fears.
Your biggest competition at the Superday will be yourself and your choice to pursue a winter internship (presumably tax?). Everyone knows that the summer internship programs are the bees’ knees: barely 40 hours a week; summer outings; awesome schwag. Winter internships, on the other hand, have been traditionally limited in numbers but extensive in experience. This is changing a bit this year, as firms are looking for a small uptick in winter interns to help offset the turnover in staff. The firms’ practices have higher standards for the students they hire for this time of year because they’ll be doing actual work (relative to the summer class). But should you land one of the spots on the winter intern bench, you’ll be poised to rake in a lot of overtime $$$. So, what do you need to do at the Superday to best position yourself for one of the internship spots? Keep your cool. Keep your confidence.
Be flexible. Winter interns are oftentimes from local universities, since many students balance a light credit schedule while putting in long hours at 300 Madison Avenue (or 345 Park, or…okay you get it). If you’re in this position, oversell your availability to work. Think you’re taking 15 credits? Say your’e taking 12. Available on weekends? You bet! They’re looking to hire workhorses, not show ponies. If you’re taking the semester off, that’s great; make sure the recruiter knows this. Talk about your willingness to work long hours and do “what’s best for the team” even if that means working weekends. The goal is to land an offer, not sound like someone with a grasp on reality. “Work the entire month of February and sleep under my desk?!?! Sign me up!!!”
Now, then. General advice for Superdays:
You’re always being watched. Think that the teambuilding event is trivial? Think again. The recruiters will be watching how you interact with the team members. One comment of “this is the dumbest thing I’ve ever done” will get you dinged. Sit down, shut up, and BE REALLY EXCITED TO PLAY WITH MARKERS.
Careful with the booze. Every firm’s 2nd round interview program is different, but be sure to take it easy if there is booze involved. Take a page out of my BFF Patti Stanger’s book: keep it to two drinks. You’ll loosen up, it’ll taste GREAT after the long day, but you won’t get too loose lipped. Just because the evening’s atmosphere is casual, doesn’t mean the office managing partner should know what you’re getting your boyfriend for Christmas.
Shoot for the middle of the fairway. Every in-office interview program has the same cast of characters. The Funny Guy. The Guy Who Thinks He’s Funny But Isn’t. The Girl Who’s Skirt is Questionably Short. The Guy Who is Wearing His Father’s Suit. The Sit in the Corner Special. The Candidate with Too Much School Pride. The Leader Who Doesn’t Know How to Be a Team Player.
Umm, yeah. Don’t be any of those.
Easy on the cellphones. Silence it, turn it off, and only look at it on breaks. Nothing pisses off an over-the-hill recruiter more than watching a room full of Millennials texting and tweeting over their morning fruit salads.
Good luck.
PWC used to be the premier college recruiter. I know that during the pandemic we saw few students that possessed the desire to learn and work and recruitment costs skyrocketed, but this is a mistake. PWC will rely on poaching associates from other firms and most have not been adequately trained.
Serious question. Why would any kid with at least a half-decent IQ major in accounting now?
Earlier this week, there was a story (PWC didn’t deny it) that over the next few year, Audit Manager will basically be an entry-level position out of college. New employees will reviewing the work performed by AI, rather than starting out at the ground level themselves. How is this going to work?
I don’t think PWC (or anyone else) has figured out how to deal with AI yet. They’re excited by the possibilities for terminating staff and reducing headcount (it’s been the partners’ wet dream for decades), but they have no clue what happens after that. For the current partners, I’m sure they’re just looking forward to their retirement date. There is absolutely no concern whatsoever for the future of the accounting profession.
It’s interesting to see that for decades, you would only get promoted after years of proving you could do the work to now where “staff” are reviewing the work from the start. Sounds like a recipe for disaster to me.
I feel like that’s a step backwards but I guess at this point companies just want a rubber stamp and move on with business.
AI will eliminate certain monotonous tasks but will not replace critical thinking skills.
“AI will eliminate certain monotonous tasks but will not replace critical thinking skills.”
I don’t know how anyone can make such a statement with any amount of certainty at this point. Five or ten years from now (possibly a lot less), I think you will be proven wrong.
Offshoring is much more relevant to this decision than AI, but every company is rushing right now to show AI-results in the current hype-cycle and hence that is what gets the headlines.
PWC will be doing less campus recruiting in the US, while earlier this week announcing plans to double headcount at PWC India over the next 5 years.
Anyone currently in the profession can see the writing on the wall: the plan is to have all the work done overseas, with a handful of people in the US here to review, sign-off and grease the deal wheel. How those handful will manage to do all this with no staff in the US is another story (ask any B4 partner under 50 how things are going), but the ‘powers that be’ will be gone by the time this all hits the fan.
The outsourcing of white-collar jobs overseas will have far more dire consequences to the future of this profession than any AI-chatbot.
“…but the ‘powers that be’ will be gone by the time this all hits the fan.”
I think this is a key point. No one cares about the future of the accounting profession. It seems like the “leaders” of our profession have already quit on trying to save the accounting profession. Now they are pivoting to just making as much money as they possibly can for themselves before the end (or their retirement, whichever comes first).
Good points on the offshoring. The intent is the same whether it’s AI or offshoring. It has been the goal of the “leaders” in our profession to eliminate as many staff from developed countries as possible in order to maximize their profits. Pure greed disguised as forward-thinking and innovation.
The ideal solution would be for AI to become smarter than all humans ever to walk the earth, except audit and tax partners.
If you can’t be bothered to train them properly, might as well not hire them in the first place!
Let service centers and AI do all the work; all that matters now is getting that handshake and securing the revenue!
The market knows just this one thing – regulators don’t seem to care anymore. This is going to work out fantastically well.
“The market knows just this one thing – regulators don’t seem to care anymore.”
Part of the problem is that the Big 4 firms own the regulators (and the politicians who keep the regulators in business). The PCAOB was on the chop block with the One Big Beautiful Bill, and then it miraculously survived in the end.