It’s the final day of fiscal 2011 in GreenDotville and it seems fitting that we have a little comp discussion:
Word is coming out of the senior manager meeting last week that raises and bonuses are going to be “very good” this year. Of course, those are just rumors, and that’s what the firm said in 2009 when comp increases averaged less than 1% across the board. Other than the mid-year salary bump last fall, there have been no raises, bonuses, or any other incentives to keep slaving away since last summer.
As you may know, Deloitte moved to a decentralized audit planning approach this year, causing hundreds (if not thousands) of additional hours to be added to each engagement. With a shortage of seniors and managers as it is, it’s been close to a breaking point for everyone in the audit function. And, of course, it’s an internal mandate, so unlike the glut of work that came as a result of SOX, Uncle-D is unable to recover any of those costs from clients. Senior management is aware of the problem (Steve VanArsdell said it was the worst busy season he’s ever seen in his 36-year career), but as yet no solutions have been offered other than to say that “year 2” of the new approach should be easier.
Interestingly, the Ivory Tower here at D&T has been suspiciously quiet regarding comp and other issues. Consensus among the employees is that they’re panicked and haven’t yet figured out how to dig out of the hole that they dug for themselves over the past few years. They’ve moved up the timetable on the compensation and rating process by a couple of weeks, which means that we’ll be getting our raise and bonus information in early August instead of mid-August this year (to which, most employees have responded with, “BFD”). To most of us working here, it feels like it’s all going to be too little, too late to win back the loyalty of the current workforce here at Uncle D.
But hey, I hear PwC is hiring!
Our tipster sounds pretty glum for a NYE celebration, so if you can cheer him up with contrary rumors, please do so. Of course, you can always corroborate his suspicions if that’s what you’re hearing as well. And don’t forget to drop all your new leaders a good luck email. Everyone deserves a little thumbs-up on the first day in a new job.
I think we’d need to be starting our people around $75K / $85K / $100K / $120K in LCOL -> VHCOL respectively to be attracting good candidates and remaining competitive.
I think the key here is that starting salaries need to increase similar to average of increases across the levels each year, not based on inflation or any other statistic.
Public accounting is meant to be a training ground for 90% of those who enter. Much like legal/medical and other professional training, the idea is to get the training from the big 4 (best training in the world) and leave for the private sector. That’s the real payoff!
Yeah, but public pays so much lower now why even both starting at a public? and I’m saying this as someone who spent 7 years in audit, when I left earlier this year, there were entire classes below me who are just 100% gone, my office didn’t even have anyone they can promote to manager, meanwhile managers and senior managers are quitting at record levels. Public accounting sure wants to weed people out, but never at this 100% level, to the point where we’re having partners who are acting as in charges on jobs, because they don’t have SM, managers, or even a proper senior on a job, just a second year staff leading a couple interns and off shore staffs. That’s the reality, it’s long past the ‘people who want to make partner stay and put in the work for a future payoff, and everyone else fucks off after a few years for a better job in private’, it’s everyone is gone, let’s have this random person from India do some opening balance sheet testing by themselves 🙂
Salary compression is going to start to be a thing … it’s one thing to try to attract new entrants … but, as the salary increases at the lowest level start to bump up against the Seniors -> Managers -> Sr Mgrs/Directors -> it’ll start to get untenable for partner profitability … it’s not a problem until it is …
We’re long overdue for increases across the board in accounting. Its not right that I started at $55k back in 2010 and many firms aren’t much higher than that 12 years (and lots of inflation) later.
Its not like the partners at these firms couldn’t eat some of the cost too. They’ve been making out like bandits for years.
We should be more like commercial banks. Entry level is $40k per year, but they get a VP title.