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Job of the Day: Peak6 Investments Needs an Assistant Controller

Peak6 Investments is looking for an experienced accountant to join their team in Chicago as the Assistant Controller.

Qualifications include a Bachelors Degree in Accounting, at least five to seven years of experience with two years in a senior role required, CPA and experience with Dynamics GP are strongly preferred.


Company: Peak6 Investments, LP

Title: Assistant Controller

Location: Chicago, IL

Responsibilities: Perform assigned monthly, quarterly, and annual general ledger closing and reporting processes; Perform journal entries and complex account reconciliations including identification and remediation of all issues in compliance with audit requirements; Assist the Controller in operational and transactional processes impacting the financial statements, including closing/reporting, cash, intercompany expenses and accounts payable; Prepare income statement and balance sheet packages and related comprehensive analysis for variances and trends; Participate in the internal and external audit process; Collaborate with teammates and management to identify, design, and implement process improvements and policies for greater efficiency; Actively participate in improvements to and recommendations for company outsourced systems impacting financial reporting and processes; Communicate with and advise business leaders within your given business unit; Understand and apply regulatory business rules to accounting procedures; Ensure that adequate internal financial controls exist in the business to safeguard company assets and limit risk; Participate in and lead ad hoc projects as needed.

Qualifications/Skills: 5-7+ years of progressive accounting experience with at least 2+ years in a senior role; Bachelor’s degree in Accounting required and Certified Public Accountant (CPA) licensing strongly preferred; Prior Broker Dealer or similar industry experience preferred; Experience with Dynamics GP software is preferred; Minimum 5 years experience with automated accounting systems in a customer service, high volume, deadline driven production environment is required; Strong analytical ability, including expert level MS Excel skills, and perseverance to solve problems with high attention to detail; Strong month end close experience; Ability to professionally interact with employees and management; Extensive knowledge of general ledgers.

See the entire description over at the GC Career Center and visit the main page for all your job search needs.

More on Cost Accounting Careers with IMA Chair Sandra Richtermeyer

About two weeks ago, one of our Twitter followers was curious about how someone might land a cost accounting position. We put the question to the group and there was a little discussion but something told us that our inquisitor wa

We recently spoke with Sandra Richtemeyer, Ph.D., CMA, CPA, the Chair of the Institute of Management Accountants for 2010-2011 to discuss cost accounting careers in more detail. In addition to her role at the IMA, Dr. Richtermeyer is chair of the Department of Accountancy in the Williams College of Business at Xavier University in Cincinnati, Ohio.


Going Concern: We’ll just start off by getting your reaction to our reader’s question – “How would you suggest getting into a cost accounting position?” And the previous post’s comments “WHY would one get into cost accounting?”; “[N]obody likes cost accounting.” and “[I]n its true sense does not exist.”

Dr. Sandra Richtermeyer: We represent the Institute of Management Accountants so we usually place the focus on management accounting versus cost accounting. Cost accounting is one aspect of managerial accounting and when we say “management accounting,” that’s another term that many people don’t resonate with, as there aren’t a lot of positions out there called “management accountant.” You do hear job titles like “cost analyst” and “financial analyst,” so sometimes it is easier to explain these roles.

At the IMA, we like to take a look at the focus inside the organization and really try to look at the broad perspective of management accounting – which includes cost accounting – where people are really more involved with strategic decisions that influence business actions and activities and in much more significant ways than just what people would ordinarily perceive.

The last thing that you said, “does cost accounting really exist?” We certainly see positions called “cost accountant” but they are so narrow in scope and it’s not really reflective of what’s happening with the people that are charged with that important element or aspect of accounting.

GC: So it sounds like cost accounting is a red-headed step-child of sorts – why do you think there are so many misconceptions about cost accounting jobs?

SR: I think because people don’t see the big picture and how information produced in cost accounting and related activities plays a role in many business processes. They typically think of a very narrow scope that’s part of a costing decision or the actual calculation of cost of goods sold, budget variances or manufacturing costs. I don’t think that it is clear how accountants who have costing responsibilities are often working with key leaders in the organization who are determining product or service mix and making critical strategic decisions. They often need to spend a lot of one-on-one time with decision makers or teams to consider different analyses and work through various scenarios to help guide the right outcomes. All too often, cost accounting is perceived to be a stand-alone activity. Rather, it plays a really important role in an organization’s value chain.

GC: That takes me back to the financial analyst job I had and how many different people I worked with providing them with various data and analysis. Communication was a big part of that job.

SR: I think the biggest misnomer is that people don’t realize how important communication skills are for accountants in general and that they are critical for these types of roles. They picture people working independently in an office by themselves perhaps creating spreadsheets or entering information in an enterprise system but there’s so much interaction and people don’t seem to understand that. The concept of a cost or financial analyst being in an internal customer service role is often overlooked as well. It can very much be an internal customer facing role and even extend outside the organization with vendors or players in the supply chain.

GC: Is there traditional path into a “cost accounting” career?

SR: Well, I think there’s a few we can cover:

1) A typical starting point is to get an accounting or finance degree. A few years ago when the economy was stronger, a lot of cost accounting positions were filled by people with finance degrees while the accounting majors were frequently starting in public accounting. In a large company, someone might start in an entry-level position where they work in a more narrow accounting role where they do cost accounting. Alternatively, they may start at a smaller company and have a broad set of accounting responsibilities, with cost accounting being one of those. Smaller companies most likely don’t have job titles like cost accounting or financial analyst, because accountants have to do a lot more. We certainly hope that people who choose this path understand the importance of becoming a Certified Management Accountant because it’s a great credential for someone entering those types of jobs.

2) Many people might start out in public accounting as auditors and they may work with clients that have very specific product and service costing needs. After a few years of working as an external auditor, they might step out of that role and go work for a client and have responsibility that entails cost accounting. That’s not uncommon for someone with 2 to 5 years of public accounting experience. Someone with more experience than that would likely step into a broader role that is closer to a controller or CFO role, depending on the size of the company.

3) People unexpectedly find themselves providing these services. They might have started out as a business analyst and then they might find themselves providing a lot of costing information for people within the organization. The next thing they know, they are a cost accountant – either in title or in substance!

4) It’s surprising to me how many MBAs end up in controller-type positions and sometimes the path to controller, depending on the organization, is through a business or financial analyst position. I talk with a lot of MBAs that want to learn more about accounting because they find themselves essentially doing more and more cost analysis in their roles. The cost accounting piece may not be their entire set of responsibilities but it’s something they have significant responsibility for and they see it providing them with a lot more career advancement opportunities down the road.

GC: So what are some examples of some jobs for those that are interested in cost accounting? Or titles that people can look for when they’re job hunting.

SR: Well, we need to think about job titles and also the words used in a job description because in accounting, the title varies widely depending on the size of the organization. Larger companies have more specific titles and smaller companies tend to have more general titles. Some common titles are: General Accountant; Staff Accountant; Financial Analyst; Cost Analyst; Cost Accountant, to name a few.

Job descriptions likely list responsibilities such as: cost and profitability analysis, maintenance of costing systems, budgeting, interim or internal financial reporting. Often times they are a bit more specific and may include activities related to customer profitability analysis, product and service costing support, or variance analysis. Those are some key words that are going to pop out.

GC: What resources does the IMA provide that are useful?

SR: We have an amazing social network site, LinkUp IMA, for accounting professionals where our members discuss all kinds of accounting topics. This provides a great networking platform for professionals in specific roles to connect with each other and share ideas in an online forum.

We also have many chapters all over the world that allow accounting professionals to meet face-to-face and discuss trends and issues or concerns they deal with in their roles. We also have a strong certification program, the CMA. When someone makes the investment in themselves to obtain their CMA certification, they demonstrate that they are prepared not only for cost accounting, but for the many strategic roles that accountants are involved in. The CMA can provide the basis to launch them into a career path that will help them gain more experience and move into financial leadership roles. Our certification program provides a lifetime of value.

Job of the Day: Fannie Mae Needs a Director of Financial Reporting

Thumbnail image for Need_a_job.jpgFannie Mae is looking for an experienced professional to fill a Director of Financial Reporting position in its Washington, D.C. office.

This person will be responsible for coordinating the execution of day-to-day operations of financial reporting.

Qualifications include 8 – 10 years experience, CPA and public accounting experience preferred.


Company: Fannie Mae

Title: Director, Financial Reporting

Location: Washington, D.C.

Description: Coordinate strategy execution for a broad area of financial reporting. Direct day-to-day operations for a unit engaged in compiling, reviewing, and/or transmitting accurate financial results internally to the firm points of contact or externally to regulatory bodies (e.g., FHFA, SEC) for inclusion in board reports, news releases, and public financial reporting. Articulate goals, allocate resources, and manage workflow.

Responsibilities: Lead activities related to accounting, control, and financial reporting for responsible areas. Ensure that monthly, quarterly, and annual financial reporting is accurate, timely, and based upon internal and external reporting requirements; Research regulations and trends. Participate in discussions and conferences with regulators and other industry representatives. Work to influence future regulatory developments and interpretations; Report to senior management on the unit’s production, activities, and efforts; Represent the unit as an expert or resource to cross-functional project or coordinating teams; Report to senior management on the unit’s production, activities, and efforts; Represent the unit as an expert or resource to cross-functional project or coordinating teams; Plan, document, and manage the performance of subordinate managers and/or staff. Provide for professional or technical growth through assignment, mentoring, or training; Plan and manage the unit’s budget. Approve expenditures or budget transfers.

Qualifications/Skills: Bachelor’s Degree or Equivalent required; 8-10 years of related experience; CPA preferred; Public accounting experience preferred.

See the entire description over at the GC Career Center and visit the main page for all your job search needs.

Career Options: Masters in Taxation, MBA or CPA Exam?

We’re often asked which way to go when it comes to pursuing additional education or tackling the CPA exam before moving on to grad school (if you’re in one of those awesome 120 states or somehow loaded up on units after graduation) so let’s see if we can offer some insight on the matter.

Reader question is as follows:

Hello, I am looking at a public accounting career in tax and will graduate with a bachelors and 150 credit hours after 4 years. I am wondering if there are benefits to a Masters in Tax or MBA versus entering the workforce.


Funny you ask, have you checked with Going Concern contributor Joe Kristan? He can tell you all about taking the Masters route AND tax work so hit him up (you’re welcome, Joe) for more insight. “I think if you have good grades otherwise, a M.Acc can give you an edge in getting hired, especially with big firms. For me it gave me a huge edge – my M.Acc beats my B.A. in history with CPA firms everywhere,” he told us awhile back. Somehow we’re not surprised to hear his history degree wasn’t useful once it came time to find a sweet number-crunching gig.

Back to School
I think your payoff depends on what exactly you’re trying to get out of your career and which direction you plan to go. An MBA offers you flexibility (which comes in handy when the economy is in the can and jobs are scarce) while a Masters would keep you tethered to whatever path you take but either would make you more desirable to employers – depending on who you are applying with.

Keep in mind that for some employers, an over-qualified, well-educated candidate also means someone who will need to be paid more and could (in a normal job environment completely unlike the one we’ve got going now) easily find a better, more well-paid position with any number of employers. People may be desperate nowadays but the economy will recover eventually and employers have to consider that when deciding to offer you a position.

The Real World – CPA
The advantage to heading straight into the workforce out of school is that you can get the CPA exam out of the way and then, should you want to, choose to head back after you have been licensed and pursue a Masters. The advantage to this is that you are less of a threat to employers once you actually have your CPA since they don’t have to worry about you leaving after 2 years to the day once you have your experience requirement met so you can leverage your additional education to land a better job. Then again, the advantage to staying in school – for the moment, at least, job market being what it is – is that you can buy yourself some time, make yourself more of an asset and hope that things look better from a hiring standpoint once you have completed your Masters program. Many are taking this route simply because they’re afraid of the job market (for good reason).

Under the getting your CPA now route, you have the advantage of getting to know your profession before committing to a specialty – that means being able to change your mind before you’ve given up another year of your life and the costs associated with a Masters (or MBA) program. I don’t want to talk you out of what you’ve decided to be when you grow up but there’s something to be said for real-world experience (and I’m sure more than one old timer can tell you they wish they knew what they were getting into before they did).

Keep in mind also that if you’re looking at an MBA, work experience may be a requirement for admission so you might not have a choice in the matter. Take the CPA/work route and come back later when you have a little experience under your belt and more insight to allow you to make an informed decision on where you want to go with your life.

Job of the Day: L.A. Hedge Fund Needs a Portfolio Accountant

Career Group Search has a hedge fund client in Los Angeles that is looking for a Portfolio/Fund Accountant to oversee the accounting of investment partnerships and separately managed accounts.

Ideal candidates have Big 4 experience and a CPA is preferred.


Recruiter: Career Group Search

Title: Portfolio/Fund Accountant

Location: Los Angeles, CA

Responsibilities: Reconcile daily transactions to prime broker or custodian; Resolve discrepancies and communicate with client and administrator in a timely manner; Provide performance analysis and reporting on accounts to investment analysts and managing partners; Prepare month end valuation statements and ensure accuracy of financial reports provided to clients and administrators; Prepare tax allocations for hedge fund; Prepare financial statements for hedge fund; Initiate cash transfers, check disbursements and wire transfers; Assist auditors in the audit of hedge fund and separately managed accounts; Assist with the pricing and review of portfolio securities; Account for complex securities including derivatives, bank loans and private transactions.

Qualifications: 4 year degree required in Accounting or Finance; Big 4 experience and CPA is preferred; Proficient with Excel spreadsheets; Experience with investment accounting a plus; Excellent communication skills; Candidate must be diligent and self motivated with attention to detail.

See the entire description over at the GC Career Center and visit the main page for all your job search needs.

Have You Considered Becoming an Accounting Professor?

We already did a series on credentials for accountants if you’re looking for add letters to the end of your name but if you’re not looking to take that route or looking to get out of it after you’ve gotten some experience under your belt, you may want to look into a PhD in accounting. We’re serious.

The Accounting Doctoral Scholars program, a joint project by 70+ accounting firms, several state societies of CPAs and the AICPA, wants to help you. $15 million has gone into their efforts to fill a much-needed gap in accounting education and if you don’t quite fit in to the cube, you may be one of the chosen ones.


That means they have money to help you through school so get in touch with them if this sounds like you:

If you are someone who loves learning, generating new ideas, and setting your own agenda you may want to seriously consider pursuing a doctoral degree in accounting. While all academicians can make their mark in a field, those with a Ph.D. in accounting have the opportunity to influence both accounting education and public accounting practice.

The ADS Program will provide funding for selected individuals, with recent meaningful experience in public accounting in auditing and tax, to help them make a permanent transition to teaching and research at the university level. The funding will support application to doctoral programs in accounting and also provide a stipend of $30,000 per year for up to four years of enrollment to individuals committed to teaching and research in auditing and tax—the areas of greatest need—upon completion of their doctorates. The Program will support its third class of Accounting Doctoral Scholars for Fall 2011.

No one can tell you how far to take your education. We know CPAs with PhDs who love teaching and we know teachers who have their CPA and don’t realize they practice education. It is difficult enough to decide between a Masters in Accounting and an MBA (or so we hear), how many of you are really thinking of a PhD?

If just one of you are, hopefully this helps. We’d be curious to hear what career paths you plan to take if you are and always defer you to friend of Going Concern Professor David Albrecht if you want to talk to someone who does it for a living.

This does mean you’ll actually have to teach.

Last year, AccountingWEB identified 5 reasons why we’re so desperate for PhDs in Accounting including the lifestyle change required to pursue one and the economic cost of funding it.

The New York Society of CPAs’ CPA Journal gets into what is required and what to expect if you take this route here and you can check out earlier posts that GC did on the pros and cons of the career move into academia. Good luck!

Job of the Day: Visa Needs a Senior Financial Analyst

Visa is looking for an experienced professional to a Senior Financial Analyst role in its Foster City, CA location.

Responsibilities include applying U.S. GAAP to business activities and documenting analysis and conclusions in HR accounting, with an emphasis on compensation and pension accounting.

Qualifications include a CPA and strong technical accounting skills (FASB statements: 87, 88, 106, 112, 123R, 146, and 158). Big 4 experience and exposure to IFRS is preferred.


Company: Visa

Title: Sr. Financial Analyst

Location: Foster City, CA

Description: The Sr. Financial Analyst will apply U.S. GAAP to business activities and documenting analysis and conclusions in all areas of Human Resources accounting, with an emphasis on compensation (stock-based compensation, deferred compensation arrangements, executive compensation) and pension accounting.

Responsibilities: Technical accounting expertise and operational application of the following specific pre-Codification FASB statements: 87, 88, 106, 112, 123R, 146, and 158; Drafting and maintaining global accounting policies for Visa Inc. in accordance with GAAP and SEC guidance; Providing non-U.S. geographies with technical accounting guidance and assisting them in solving Human Resources-related accounting issues; Preparing and reviewing journal entries, complex general ledger account reconciliations, and analyses to support accounting estimates and adjustments.

Qualifications: CPA license (active status); Strong technical accounting skills and experience in handling complex U.S. GAAP accounting matters, as well as the demonstrated ability to perform technical accounting research and use technical accounting research tools; Direct experience with the following specific pre-Codification FASB statements: 87, 88, 106, 112, 123R, 146, and 158; Strong communication skills, especially in writing technical accounting position papers and explaining and presenting technical accounting matters and positions to auditors and management.

Preferred qualifications: Familiarity with International Financial Reporting Standards (IFRS), including the significant differences with U.S. GAAP, especially in the areas of stock-based compensation and pension; Expatriate accounting and tax experience; Big 4 and public company experience, including familiarity with Form 10-K and 10-Q disclosures and disclosure requirements; Operational experience in Human Resources accounting.

See the entire description over at the GC Career Center and visit the main page for all your job search needs.

Question for the Group: How Does One Get Into Cost Accounting?

One of our Twitter followers Markied85 asked us the following:

How would you suggest getting into cost accounting? it seems like one of those positions you fall into with experience.


Good question! Personally speaking, your humble editor only had a brief stint as a financial analyst that involved compiling internal reporting for a COO and that was after we had done our time in public/Big 4, so your thinking is on the right track.

If you accept an entry-level position with a private company, chances are you wouldn’t be tasked with providing reports to managers. However it is possible that you would be responsible for compiling these reports and depending on how the department is set up, one of your superiors would review and present the reports.

But what do we know? Like we said, our experience is limited so we just took quick shot in the dark. What we do know is if you are an in-house cost accountant, a CMA is good credential to set you apart from the rest in your group (plus, you’ll probably get more money).

If you’ve got good experience with this transition or you’ve been in a cost/managerial accounting role your entire career, let’s hear about it.

Job of the Day: Morgan Stanley Needs a Legal Entity Accountant

Morgan Stanley is looking for an experienced professional to fill a Legal Entity Accounting role in New York.

Responsibilities include legal entity financial reporting including supporting analytics and support of financial audit, regulatory and compliance examinations.

Qualified candidates need a BS/BA in accounting and minimum of seven years experience.


Company: Morgan Stanley

Title: Legal Entity Accounting

Location: New York

Responsibilities: Legal Entity financial reporting, including supporting analytics; Preparation and filing of quarterly bank regulatory reports; Support for various banking committees, Board of Directors and compliance reports; Ownership of legal entity control environment and procedures. (Basel II, Reg. W, Reg. R); Coordination and support of Financial audit, Regulatory and Compliance examinations; Ad-hoc queries on financial information (internal and external)

Skills: Ability to communicate effectively and interact with various levels of management; Comprehensive knowledge of financial reporting and technical accounting; Ability to make creative and effective use of systems and technology (Proficient in MS Office Suite); Possess Leadership and project management skills; Strong organizational skills, including the ability to coordinate, prioritize and manage multiple activities; Self motivated – the ability to work independently and as an effective team member; B.A. / B.S. degree; Accounting; 7 to 10 years of related experience in Finance and banking industry.

See the entire description over at the GC Career Center and visit the main page for all your job search needs.

Job of the Day: Citi Needs a Financial Accounting Analyst

Citi is looking for an experienced accountant to join its SEC Reporting Group as a Financial Accounting Analyst role in New York.

In addition to responsibilities within SEC Reporting, the position may involve income statement analysis, fair value reporting and investments portfolio analysis.

Qualifications include a bachelor’s degree with public accounting experience preferred.


Company: Citi

Title: Financial Accounting Analyst 3

Location: New York

Responsibilities: Position is part of the SEC Reporting Group which is responsible for Citigroup’s Earnings Releases, 10-Qs, Annual Report / 10-K. SEC Reporting is also responsible for Citibank N.A. Audited Financial Reporting and New Accounting Pronouncement analysis and implementations. The preferred qualifications for this role are a licensed CPA with public accounting experience. The candidate should have strong finance and analytic skills. The role requires flexibility with hours and assignments to accommodate the requirements of the SEC’s reporting calendar as well as the Company’s financial deliverables. This replacement position may likely work on income statement reporting and analysis and the related financial monthly closes, as well as, Fair Value Reporting and Investments portfolio analysis.

Skills: College degree in accounting or finance, CPA and Public Accounting experience strongly preferable. Experience in SEC financial analysis and reporting and /or financial services is beneficial. Strong quantitative and PC (Excel, Systems) skills are needed.

See the entire description over at the GC Career Center and visit the main page for all your job search needs.

So You’re a CPA Thinking About Law School

We try to encourage you to think about your careers here at GC every once in awhile; present you with some options or ideas that maybe you haven’t considered before. We’ve covered several credentials out there that you can obtain and we’ve also touched on the pros and cons of the PhD.

But this time we’re going to get really crazy and give you the lowdown on an idea that we know many of you have had (including your humble editor) and that is the consideration of going to – gasp – law school.

For whatever insane reason, you can’t shake the idea of committing three years of your life and borrowing tens of thousands of dollars to live on PB&J, ramen noodles and frozen pizzas. Oh and of course there’s studying, tests and everything else that comes with returning to school.

But think about the benefits; you’ve got the CPA and if you were to get the JD, maybe you’ll top it off with an LLM and it’ll be smartest thing you’ve ever done. Think about the money! The prestige! The hot lawyers that you will bed and wed! It will all be worth it, right?


Well, maybe? If you spend even a little bit of time reading our sister site Above the Law, you might get the impression that the last thing you should ever do is go to law school. There’s an ncertain job market out there. You may end up with a huge debt load that can take a lifetime to pay back. And we’ve been told by a fair amount of our lawyers simply, “It’s just not worth it.”

Considering all that, we wanted to get some first-hand perspective, so we put the feelers out to a few CPAs turned lawyers to get an idea of their experience so those of you considering law school can make a more informed decision.

We spoke to three CPAs turned attorneys, Eric Gullotta who has his own practice in Sonoma, CA, Steve Farrar of Smith Moore Leatherwood in Greenville, SC and Timothy Gagnon who has in own practice in Needham, MA.

Messrs Gullotta and Gagnon both specialize in estate planning and taxation while Mr Farrar is a litigator who defends lawyers and accountants in malpractice lawsuits.

The three men agreed that their decision to go back to law school was worth it but that the process is certainly a challenge, “It was a tough three years. Probably the hardest thing is getting re-oriented with being a student after being out for awhile,” Mr Gagnon said.

Motivation and Benefits
Gullotta and Gagnon both believe that the biggest benefit that they’ve enjoyed by obtaining the law degree is that clients recognize the value that a background of a CPA can add to providing legal services. “The amount of respect and trust that clients put in you when you are both a lawyer and a CPA is really unbelievable,” Mr Gullotta told GC. “Being able to see the tax effects of legal transactions is really amazing and you can really bring value to your clients when you are able to negotiate or structure deals with tax effects in mind.”

Steve Farrar had a very different thought process before he returned to school. He went back because he was interested in being a trial lawyer, “I went back to law school with the intent to try cases,” he told us. While he was interviewing, most firms wanted him to consider working in a more transactional capacity but he found a firm that was willing to let him work in litigation and it turned out to be a perfect fit, “I’ve been ecstatic. While you might hear stories about people being burned out, I enjoy every minute of it.” And the biggest benefit for him? “This is going to sound hokie when I say it but I enjoy the theatrical chess match of going to trial.”

Back to School
But before getting to all the benefits of CPA/lawyer superstardom, there is the little matter of going to law school. While many lawyers we’ve talked to have said that the law school you attend is everything, it really depends on what you’re looking to accomplish with the degree. As Eric Gullotta told us, “it’s important to know what you what to do. If you want to work in [a large city], you’ll have to go to a reputable law school. If you want to practice locally, hang the shingle out, then you can go to slightly less prestigious school that is more practical for your situation.”

And being a CPA could possibly put you at an advantage when applying to law schools, “The interesting thing is that because you have experience and have a CPA, it can help you get into some of the better law schools,” Tim Gagnon said. “They’re looking to diversify their class, age, experience and you could bring something that diversifies the class that they can’t get out of somebody that just got out of undergrad.”

Drawbacks
But there’s got to be drawbacks right? Besides all the lawyer jokes, Steve Farrar mentioned losing flexibility in his schedule, “The best way I can explain it is that I have multiple busy seasons but I never know when they’re coming.” For Tim Gagnon, it sheer volume of continuing to keep up-to-date on the changing rules, “It’s hard enough to keep up on one but you put the two together and you really have a lot of information to cover.”

Oh, and then there’s the practical (and possibly more important) stuff, “Higher malpractice insurance,” according to Eric Gullotta.

So, are your aspirations for law school a good idea? Hard to say. Knowing what you want to do with the degree seems to be the key to making a decision. If you are thinking that a law degree will be the solution to your self-perceived lackluster career to date, you could find yourself very disappointed.

However, if this is a career that you truly want then it sounds like there isn’t any shortage of success stories. Choose wisely.

How the ACFE is Promoting CFE Awareness

After Caleb forced me to write a few posts on Credentials for Accountants meant specifically for those of you who still do not know what you want to be when you grow up, I managed to bumble one so badly I was contacted by Scott Grossfeld, CFE CPA and Cttp://www.acfe.com/”>Association of Certified Fraud Examiners. See, it appears I made a typical media mistake in using fraud and forensics as interchangeable fields within the industry and Scott felt compelled to speak up.

This wasn’t exactly wrong (I was being lazy actually) but as CEO of the ACFE, he’s got a responsibility to make sure the media represent the field of fraud examination correctly, especially when it comes to giving forensic accountants credit for what he and his fellow CFEs do out there. Thankfully, we had a nice little chat and cleared up that little point.


Additionally, Scott promised us access to recent salary survey information available shortly that will give us a better idea of what CFEs make. For now, he told us that the data confirms a 22% pay premium for individuals with the CFE compared to individuals in the same position without the CFE. We liked this approach and wish more organizations would take an active role in monitoring and engaging in the conversation, as Scott was obviously doing by reading our series on credentials.

Along the way, however, I discovered that the ACFE is also on top of things by promoting the credential, interacting with their audience and reaching potential new members through new avenues like blogging and social media. The ACFE is excited to be launching a new social media campaign shortly that we can only hope rivals that of the AICPA’s total social media genius (except for that whole Feed the Pig thing, which still creeps us out but is brilliant and weird enough to get a pass).

The strategy of having a CFE on staff is akin to carrying insurance on your home or car, and diversifying a company’s staff can mean the difference between a lawsuit and a slap on the wrist thanks to our favorite unnecessary accounting legislation of all time, Sarbanes-Oxley. “If you look at the CFE, originally the idea behind it was that we had accountants who really didn’t know how to investigate and investigators who don’t know accounting so we were able to bring those two together,” he said. “If you look now, Enron was the big thing that really changed perspective… here’s a big financial risk but you could lose your company if you’re not careful (with SOX) and I think that really raised awareness. Before that fraud work was sort of like insurance, you knew you needed it but you couldn’t always justify it.”

But CFEs do justify their price from a prevention standpoint, assuming fraud to be a risk all companies are exposed to. “5 – 7% of the company’s revenue is lost to fraud, that’s where the fraud examiner pays for themselves,” he told us.

But how does the ACFE promote the usefulness of a 20 year old credential like the CFE? By getting to the kids when they’re still undecided, of course.

“It used to be that the CFE was a secondary credential. [Promoting the credential is the goal of] the higher education partnership we provide to educators. We have 300 colleges and universities in that program. Now it’s part of the discussion; risk is on the radar in terms of what companies are looking for. What we typically see is fraud being an elective type class though there are a few schools that specialize in fraud and or forensics.”

The ACFE also promotes its mission by encouraging those interested in pursuing a career in fraud-fighting to join the organization as a student member for something like $20 a year. Student Associate membership is open to undergraduate students enrolled in 9 semester hours (or equivalent), or graduate students enrolled in 6 semester hours (or equivalent) in an accredited college or university. We agree with this approach, as surrounding yourself with like-minded folks gives you a chance to expose yourself to those already on your desired path. There’s plenty of opportunity for mentorship, commiserating and gaining insight into what the credential actually means for your career.

All in all we approve of what the ACFE is doing and look forward to seeing whatever else they have up their sleeve unfold in the months and years ahead. Let’s face it, they’re pretty much guaranteed a job forever. We like.